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Posted - 2016.06.27 15:37:00 -
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hm.
grats!
Don't get her pregnant before you have a job with insurance?
Try to pay attention in college.
Don't put sh!t on credit!
Jelly will actually keep outside of the fridge way longer than you would think.
Same for salsa.
If your dog continually gets UTIs and your vet dismisses it, find another vet. It's probably bladder cancer.
Don't sleep on the couch on a regular basis. Your back will punish you years later.
You're young. Start a retirement fund now.
The older you get, the faster time seems to pass. I am NOT exaggerating.
Keep up with the good friends. Screw the rest.
Relationships are based on compromise, else it's just a one-way street.
Be humble? lol. Sooner or later you will get old and the younger generation will begin to **** you off the way you are probably pissing off my generation now. Lion King stuff, that. Circle of life and all.
Look up Lion King.
Left lane is for passing. Especially if you're asian.
Blinker first. Then brakes. Especially if you're asian.
uuh...
If you have a dream, make time for it. Otherwise, the day-to-day routine will take over and before you realize, a decade or more has passed and you're stuck in debt, 2 divorced angry wives are leaving cryptic death-threats on your mobile, kids that you've forgotten exist are asking for money, and a cat that keeps vomiting meow-mix into the carpet for all to see. Then you have a stroke and have to pee through a tube till even the Hospice forgets about you. hm.
yeah.
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Posted - 2016.06.27 18:56:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:
pure genius.
hm. why do i always try to type that with an "o"?
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Posted - 2016.06.29 03:38:00 -
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lol.
i guess i should have typed, "Don't put sh!t on credit!"
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Posted - 2016.06.30 00:52:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:byte modal wrote:lol. i guess i should have typed, "Don't put sh!t on credit!" That's the problem with profanities. They are so broad and interchangeable that it becomes difficult to get your point across. Am I right that what you are trying to say is, "don't put unnecessary junk on credit" or am I still misinterpreting your statement?
lol. Yeah. My reply wasn't to you specifically. I just found it funny that three or four others singled out that one comment among a list of several tongue-in-cheek situations to get real on. Honestly, you offered great advice. As did the others. I just got a kick out of some of the replies and had to point it out and laugh.
Yes. As others have noted, use credit wisely and don't put petty wants on it to pay over time what you can't afford to do otherwise. That's all i meant.
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Posted - 2016.07.01 16:44:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I'll give you one advise. Don't ever go for a liberal arts degree.
I beg to differ!
I got arguably one of the most liberal of liberal arts degrees! Fine Art - Studio Painting! Well, maybe behind theater and russian literature. =\ Yeah. we were inundated with drop-outs from every other major thinking they could get a degree in finger painting, but still! I'm working in Gov't Contracting as a result of screwing around with design, flash, and 3dmax! Well. Intermixed with oil painting and sculpture =\
Maybe i'm of the minority. derno.
I'm just rambling before getting back to work and this seemed as good a topic to reply to as any.
Point: fill in the gaps with usable classes, regardless of your path.
I guess.
YMMV.
(topic-wise)
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Posted - 2016.07.02 06:42:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:byte modal wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I'll give you one advise. Don't ever go for a liberal arts degree. I beg to differ! I got arguably one of the most liberal of liberal arts degrees! Fine Art - Studio Painting! Well, maybe behind theater and russian literature. =\ Yeah. we were inundated with drop-outs from every other major thinking they could get a degree in finger painting, but still! I'm working in Gov't Contracting as a result of screwing around with design, flash, and 3dmax! Well. Intermixed with oil painting and sculpture =\ Maybe i'm of the minority. derno. I'm just rambling before getting back to work and this seemed as good a topic to reply to as any. Point: fill in the gaps with usable classes, regardless of your path. I guess. YMMV. (topic-wise) Just out of curiosity do you get the job because of your degree or because you acquired shills in design in flash doing that on the side?
First, the irony of me replying with a specific counter to Maken's generalized statement as compared to my earlier just as general comment on using credit is not lost on me!
Second, that is a tough question to answer. While I earned a foot in the door due to knowing a bit about 3dsmax, flash, photoshop, etc., I do not believe I would have ever ventured into those applications had it not been for the curriculum of my degree, nor would I have had the curiosity and understanding to dig into something so foreign to me at the time (I can only speak for myself).
As a fine art student we shared the same two-year fundamental courses as students in graphic design, illustration, and to a lesser degree architecture. That's six quarters of color theory, 2d/3d drawing, perspective drawing, figure drawing, 2d-design, histories, and related electives that all laid a foundation of design principles that really apply to most anything. For me, learning to observe something, recognize my assumptions of that observed something, then work to change my perspective of that something to see things differently to hopefully find a better way of seeing/doing a new something was a game changer for me. Granted personality plays a role, but they both feed each other.
Those fundamental courses opened doors to software applications I never knew existed. No, they did not teach these applications, but we did use Photoshop. Quark, PageMill (lol?) and FreeHand. I'm talking Photoshop 4: Big Electric Cat days, and that was enough to get the ball rolling. The perspective that my fine art courses taught me helped to really dig into new things to learn new ways of learning. So I taught myself various multimedia programs along the way mostly because I had never seen anything like it before. This was literally my first experience with the internet back in the late 90s. There were no online videos to learn from. It was all just trial and error really. That and books. Anyway, my point is that while my software skills got me in, it was my ability to change my perspective on matters that really helped me troubleshoot problems well before they became problems. That's a universal application if done right. I'm not sure I would have had that without the degree. Not to that level at least.
We have programmers that come and go. They are excellent technically, but lack any sort of empathy towards the end user to really consider what might be most efficient or aesthetically pleasing when developing some online app or whatever. I believe that's a result of their chosen curriculum and attitudes fostered there. Maybe that's a regional thing, but it's what I've noticed. They have the "degree" in a field that should be good choice relative to say mine. They come and go. The guy that was working here when I started could write code and played with Flash Actionscript (as1) and 3dmax. The problem was he never saw the projects as anything but something to get done. Appearance, efficiency, and design were never really part of the effort for him. It was all very sterile and by the numbers. When I came on board I started making things he either couldn't do or wouldn't. This is anecdotal and I'm rambling.
I've been here going on my 16th year. I no longer use Flash or 3dsmax (unfortunately), but I've outlasted literally every other employee except the owner. I can't help but think that the skills learned in my degree program had a strong influence in my survival. It's not for everyone, of course. I think students need to be really smart with how they handle electives regardless of their chosen degree.
Generally, Maken is probably right about his statement and I can reluctantly agree with that. But then we should be considerate to what actually defines success and happiness for the individual. That's not really the point of all this so I'll just shup' here!
It's 2:30am and I've been on the road for about 6 hours. I hope my typing is at least partially on point to what you asked.
g'nite!
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Posted - 2016.07.03 14:12:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:
I had actually totally overlooked that but you make a hilarious point.
I only ask because I never went through any formal education but worked my way up to a great spot through experience. I now do a lot of hiring and management and see some amazing variations in peoples backgrounds and how they grow and develop as they go along. I deal with mostly people that are new to bigger scale programming and design so I am always curious on that. I really wish I could figure out the formula on hiring there I suppose.
It is funny that you bring up the whole programmers and designers cooperation as all in all I find that to be the hardest thing ever. The two groups just seem to think SOOOOO differently that matching up the two sides is always interesting.
I would actually like to talk a little more on the subject. Do you have an Eve character or a friend on Eve I can send my skype to to try to get some more chat going?
I think your situation falls into the same category as mine, and is a good example of how personality, skillset, perseverance, or what have you can be measured greater than the numbers on paper. Gratz to that! I've never been one to label based on a degree or no degree. To be honest, I dropped out during the end of my senior year so technically my degree had nothing to do with my hire. I only just this past fall returned to finish it after having been emplyed for as long as I have. That may change you view on my argument earlier, but i still stand by the idea that it was the philosophies learned in that liberal arts program that gave me perspective enough to know when and how to adapt.
To the difficulties of placing designers and programmers together, i absolutely agree. We have very diferent ways of thinking and communication has inherent walls because of it. It took me nearly a decade to figure out how to translate my ideas to programmer speak. Often times i would have to come in and play to their egos to lower the territorial protectionism some held over their projects. Hey i did it too. That's human nature.
I find it helps to have hybrid developers that either worked for a computer science degree while taking electives in graphic/web design, or designers that also took html or front end dev courses. I see that more in younger hires but it's still rare. They can speak both languages so having them act as translator helps.
For me, it's difficult to speak in abstract concepts to our programmers. I throw ideas out hoping they will toss it back with a new idea like a game of catch, brainstorming and creating associations that might otherwise never be considered. That's a huge process for me to look at other ideas. Even if we don't use them it is good practice to constantly look at something differently. Usually they seem confused expecting a literal "I want this" directive.
That is fine. But usually project managers or especially clients have no concept of development but dictate workflow and priorities. That always bottlenecks halfway through development. Our programmer mindset (really, the employee mindset depending on the environment) is to just do what they're told. Here is a problem. Solve it in this very specific, if somewhat ignorant, way.
It does take a lot of patience before the light goes on, but once the programmer hits their wall and then breaks through, seeing things more abstractly then they are forever changed. That point is different for eveyone. Analogies help. I recently had to use a block of code to demonstrate basic layout principles of hierarchy and white space for a page he was working on. I pointed to how he block-tabs sections of a function partly to keep it visually organized. Then he made that connection to page layout. It's the same logic of structure, just a different format. And it clicked.
It is very hard to make that change. We protect what we learn to believe. Religion, politics, college football, we all lay claim to something and resist anything that counters our understanding of the world. Generally.
For me, 1 out of 10 get the bug and really start asking questions about what they perceive. Mostly, you just have to throw them into a room Thunder Dome style until they start speaking each other's lamguage.
I hire based on how curious they seem and their history of adaptation. The more confident they are the harder it is for me to teach them because from their perspective they already know everything. I'm generalizing
That might help as a lead or middle management but it's still very dependent on personality for me. As i said though, YMMV.
Gah. I can't believe i just thumbed all this out on my phone. Sorry the typos!!
My eve character: Eveyn.
Dont laugh at him. I play a few months a year at best and stayed in the starter corp because of it.
*edit* way too many typos.
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